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JamesAng
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| momoeagle wrote: | Students have a choice not to study in IP schools.
And SAT requirement for uni entries could be reverted, so why not IP? |
If you are a PSLE student today scoring 270, please honestly tell me if you will choose to go to RI which is IP or VS/Anderson/Xinmin/AHS/Chung Cheng to take O levels? I hope that you will choose not to go to RI based on your strong conviction. Btw I will choose RI if I score 270.  |
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momoeagle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Based on what I see now, I will indeed choose schools like Anderson Secondary or VS O level route, or if I'm a girl, St Nicks or CHIJ or NYGS, and then JCs like Yishun JC in the case of H2 Maths. Or SAJC for the wonderful preparation materials they have for their students.
In fact, my sis who was from Anderson is doing much better than most of my students from the IP stream. Much better means, she's among the top 10 in her school for H2 maths prelims, which I believe easily thrash every of my IP students. This, I credit to O levels for having trained her in her beliefs and study methodology. She did qualify to enter IP stream in lower sec, but in the end decided not to. Come to think of it, I believe it was a good choice.
What I have said is based on objectivity and hard data. A solid education is more important than a mere tag to your name.
IP is not for everyone. A levels and PSLE are very different things. Both are equally difficult for the students, but the training is radically different, and H2 breadth is much larger.
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JamesAng
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| momoeagle wrote: | Based on what I see now, I will indeed choose schools like Anderson Secondary, and then JCs like Yishun JC in the case of H2 Maths. Or SAJC for the wonderful preparation materials they have for their students.
In fact, my sis who was from Anderson is doing much better than most of my students from the IP stream. Much better means, she's among the top 10 in her school for H2 maths prelims, which I believe easily thrash every of my IP students. This, I credit to O levels for having trained her in her beliefs and study methodology.
What I have said is based on objectivity and hard data. A solid education is more important than a mere tag to your name. |
Shall I say that if you get 270 for PSLE today, you will choose Anderson Secondary and not RI? Your sister is good in her work, it is not surprising as she is among the best in AJC as you mentioned.
If everyone think like you, then RI/RGS will not be so crowded.
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momoeagle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Subjectively, or let's say, if being kiasu, IP would be the choice. Why? I will be scared that I can't do well enough for O levels. Yet is this the type of mentality we want to instill?
Objectively, I would say the education through the O levels route is currently better.
Of course, IP stream would still have much to change and improve. Right now, it's over hyped and not as good as you think. |
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JamesAng
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| momoeagle wrote: | Subjectively, or let's say, if being kiasu, IP would be the choice. Why? I will be scared that I can't do well enough for O levels. Yet is this the type of mentality we want to instill?
Objectively, I would say the education through the O levels route is currently better.
Of course, IP stream would still have much to change and improve. Right now, it's over hyped and not as good as you think. |
If you are good then why would you be scared? If you get 270, you will just say no to RI and go to Anderson. If IP is the way to go to get into top JC, then it is objective choice and not subjective.
Let's just say people are greedy by nature, they want to take O levels exam to get a cert but still guaranteed a place in a top JC even if they don't do as well in O levels. There is no such thing, yet. |
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momoeagle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| JamesAng wrote: | Shall I say that if you get 270 for PSLE today, you will choose Anderson Secondary and not RI? Your sister is good in her work, it is not surprising as she is among the best in AJC as you mentioned.
If everyone think like you, then RI/RGS will not be so crowded. |
Crowded doesn't necessary mean that it is better. Basically, there's no point to use this fact that many PSLE students are selecting it to support yourself. What matters is whether you know what happens at the end of the IP journey? Have you done a research or survey on students on that? |
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momoeagle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| JamesAng wrote: | If you are good then why would you be scared? If you get 270, you will just say no to RI and go to Anderson. If IP is the way to go to get into top JC, then it is objective choice and not subjective.
Let's just say people are greedy by nature, they want to take O levels exam to get a cert but still guaranteed a place in a top JC even if they don't do as well in O levels. There is no such thing, yet. |
I noticed that you are still living in your own world since you do not teach the H2 syllabus to students.
Getting 270 in PSLE doesn't mean you will do well at O levels or A levels. You mentioned, if you are good, why would you be scared? True, if you are good, why would you be scared of not getting into top JCs through the O level route as well? Or even not scoring well by going YJC or AJC or ACJC? Why must it be RJ?
And by objectivity, I'm not referring to choices as you have misunderstood. I'm referring to education of oneself in general.
It's not about being greedy. As I have already told you but you refused to acknowledge, O levels trained you to prepare for major exams after PSLE.
No one looks at whether I was RI/RJ after my uni degree, other than when I teach tuition. |
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JamesAng
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| momoeagle wrote: | | JamesAng wrote: | If you are good then why would you be scared? If you get 270, you will just say no to RI and go to Anderson. If IP is the way to go to get into top JC, then it is objective choice and not subjective.
Let's just say people are greedy by nature, they want to take O levels exam to get a cert but still guaranteed a place in a top JC even if they don't do as well in O levels. There is no such thing, yet. |
I noticed that you are still living in your own world since you do not teach the H2 syllabus to students.
Getting 270 in PSLE doesn't mean you will do well at O levels or A levels. You mentioned, if you are good, why would you be scared? True, if you are good, why would you be scared of not getting into top JCs through the O level route as well? Or even not scoring well by going YJC or AJC or ACJC? Why must it be RJ?
And by objectivity, I'm not referring to choices as you have misunderstood. I'm referring to education of oneself in general.
It's not about being greedy. As I have already told you but you refused to acknowledge, O levels trained you to prepare for major exams after PSLE.
No one looks at whether I was RI/RJ after my uni degree, other than when I teach tuition. |
I would call IP the "Expressway" path to University although some "cars" do sometimes break down along the way, but generally true that the drivers on the "Expressway" do not jostle with many drivers on the other roads to get to their destination University.
I would choose RI if I get 270 today in PSLE and I advise students likewise. You would prefer O levels schools if you get 270 and not choose RI (unless there is O levels in RI  ).
I have seen many P6 students with aspirations to go into IP schools because of the well-rounded education they offer. I think it has become a "reward" system to motivate students to fulfil their aspirations. |
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momoeagle
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:42 am Post subject: |
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James, you are still looking at the entry point of view (as you see it as a reward to PSLE students), while I'm talking about the end of the journey. But idealised visions are seen at the start of any journey, and actual results are only seen at the end of the journey. That's the difference.
I wouldn't call IP the expressway to uni as the number of years you take is still the same. You still have to jostle at A levels to get into Uni, but without having trained at jostling at O levels. |
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JamesAng
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| momoeagle wrote: | James, you are still looking at the entry point of view (as you see it as a reward to PSLE students), while I'm talking about the end of the journey. But idealised visions are seen at the start of any journey, and actual results are only seen at the end of the journey. That's the difference.
I wouldn't call IP the expressway to uni as the number of years you take is still the same. You still have to jostle at A levels to get into Uni, but without having trained at jostling at O levels. |
Both approaches when carried out carefully and systematically, can help the students get into the University. As long as the student gets into the University of their choice and do what they like, it will be their dream and aspirations come true.  |
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